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William Wallace Tabbot
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| 11/14/2007 1:36 AM |
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Do you offer any camp activities for Cub Scouts at Camp Bob Hardin any time during the year or summer?
I have noticed that each of your respective districts have a day camp or even overnight camps scattered over various locations, but, I do not see any type of centralized camps at Camp Bob Hardin for Cub Scouts to participate in as a unified group within the Palmetto Council.
This seems very strange. ... Virtually every scout council within our local area of South Carolina, North Carolina, and Georgia, to name a few, offer a great many camp opportunities for their Cub Scouts on their respective council camp properties. Blue Ridge Council, Piedmont Council, Daniel Boone Council, Northeast Georgia Council, etc. ... All offer on site camps for their Cub Scouts at their respective council camps but Camp Bob Hardin aparently does not. ... Why is that? ...
Cub Scouts from all councils from across america including our Palmetto Council, are welcomed by Camp Daniel Boone, Piedmont Scout Reservation, Camp Old Indian, Camp Rainey Mountain, etc. ... but our own Cub Scouts within the Palmetto Council are not allowed to attend our own Camp Bob Hardin! ...
Why is that? ...
Please correct me if I am wrong about there not being any Cub Scout Camps at our own Camp Bob Hardin. Are there any? If not, do you plan to change this policy in the near future?
I would like to see my son, as well as the sons of all Palmetto Council members, be able to attend Cub Scout Camps at our own council owned camp facillity rather than various locations scattered across the Palmetto Council region. This only seems logical and reasonable! ...
If other councils are able to do it, then, there is no reasonable explanation why the Palmetto Council can not do it as well. This needs to be done to provide for a more unified council in which all it's members can feel a part of and be proud of.
What needs to be done to make this happen! |
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camper bob
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| 11/14/2007 12:13 PM |
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Who is replying to Mr, Tabbott? And does he receive a Palmetto Post and what
Cub Pack is his son enrolled?
Bob Holmes
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Bulldog
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| 11/23/2007 7:46 AM |
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| Is Anyone from the council going to answer this question. Or is this forum policy just stonewall hard questions? |
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rjplum270
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| 11/23/2007 11:30 PM |
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| Although I'm not on the council level, there are some fairly common-sense reasons why CBH is not being used for a cub-scout camp. For starters, since it is not centrally located within the council, those from Lancaster, Chester, and York all have to travel around an hour to get to camp. While this may not sound bad at first, once you realize that cub-scouts go to DAY camp and not OVERNIGHT camp, it is ridiculous to assume that parents will drive their children to a camp that's a two hour round-trip there, and another two-hour round trip back to pick them up. Keep in mind that day camp is a week-long activity. If your question concerns a cub overnighter, the council camp is available year round for the use of packs and troops within the council, all you need to do is inquire at the scout office or check out the resources section of this website. Secondly, CBH is a very rugged camp; to get to anyplace in camp requires a good uphill climb. While not as much a bother to the boy scouts that frequent the camp, a cub scout may have difficulties traveling around camp throughout the day. While i agree that everyone should belong to a council that they can feel a part of and be proud of, there are more logical and feasible alternatives. One alternative could be to use the Conley Clark property. I have not been there personally, but I understand that it is an ideal location for a cub scout camp. It is more centrally located in the council and would not be as strenuous of a hike for the cubs all day. I hope that my input has helped, and as for the previous reply, great input, this forum could use more post like that. I get tired of reading logical, well-thought-out post all the time. |
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William Wallace Tabbot
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| 11/24/2007 3:21 AM |
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I had just typed a very long detailed reply to each of your points and then lost all my work before I had a chance to post it. I really don't feel like typing it all over again so I will try to cover everything again as completely but as briefly as I can. It's too bad, all that work was pretty good too. Anyway, I'll try again:
All area councils are providing camps at their respective facilities so why can't Camp Bob Hardin and the Palmetto Council? ...
None of the other camps are centrally located either and they cover much larger geographic areas than the Palmetto Council does! ...
You are not correct when you say that the Cub Scout camps are Day camps only not overnight camps.... All of the other area council camps provide overnight, day, and twilight camps! ...
Other camps provide the use of their facilities for individual packs but also go the extra mile to provide Council sponsored camps as well! ...
You say that CBH is a rugged camp. ... All of the other area camps, i.e. Camp Old Indian, Piedmont Scout Reservation, Camp Rainey Mountain, and especially Camp Daniel Boone are equally as rugged if not more so! ... In fact Camp Daniel Boone boasts that they utilize areas that have elevations in excess of 6,000 feet which is far more rugged than Camp Bob Hardin and yet they still provide camps for Cub Scouts! ... THEY ALL DO! ...
In closing, you will find detailed evidence to back up my arguements below. All of this can be verified by looking up each of the above mentioned council and camp websites, visiting the camps, or contacting the respective councils either by phone or in person. I welcome and encourage all to do so! ...
For example, other council camps offer the following:
Camp Rainey Mountain - Northeast Georgia Council, BSA:
Family Camping Weekend
Cub Scouts and their families can spend a spring weekend camping in the beautiful mountains of North Georgia. This event is organized by the council, is held at Camp Rainey Mountain and involves packs from all over Northeast Georgia. Activities include games, crafts, hikes, campfire program, or just rocking on the porch (rocking chairs provided) Held at Camp Rainey Mountain near Clayton, GA.
Fun With Son
Participate in this special one-on-one weekend experience of a lifetime for a Cub Scout and his parent. The fun begins on Saturday early afternoon and concludes on Sunday morning. You can fish, hike, swim, canoe, make crafts, sing songs, participate in the evening campfire program, etc. Eat in the camp dining hall and sleep in the camp tents. This activity is held on two different weekends during the summer at Camp Rainey Mountain.
Cub Scout Day Camp/Twilight Camp
The camp that comes to you! Have lots of FUN with your Cub Scout friends! Twenty-nine (29) camps will be held throughout Northeast Georgia during June and July. A weeklong camp program for Cub Scouts. Day Camps usually last from 9 am until 3 pm. Twilight Camps are held during the evening hours and usually last from 5 pm until 9 pm. Activities include arts, crafts, songs, skits, archery, bb shooting, nature, etc. Attend one or more!! To participate, a boy must have completed the first grade and be a registered Cub Scout.
Scoutland Adventure Camp
Any Cub Scout Can Attend Scoutland Adventure Camp - There is something for everyone!
Spend 4 days and 3 nights at Scoutland on Lake Lanier, near Gainesville, GA. Days are packed with fun and nights are spent under the stars. Eat your meals in the camp dining hall and bunk in a two-person tent with another Scout or your parent. Six camps are held during the month of July.
Cubs who have graduated into the 2nd or 3rd grade by June can swim, spend a day on the lake, learn handicrafts and much more. What a great time for a boy and his parent to spend time together in the great outdoors this summer.
Camp Daniel Boone - Daniel Boone Council, BSA:
Cub Scouts from other areas may attend our Cub Scout events. We don’t have a resident camp for Cub Scouts in the summer but we do have several Cub Scout Day Camps. We also annually have 2 major Cub Scout Campouts in October, the Cub-Parent Campout and the Cub Family Campout. There is also a Mom and Cub campout in the spring, but dads also come to this with their Cub Scouts, moms are not mandatory.
2008 Cub Programs at CDB
April 19 – 20 Cub Parent Weekend
October 4-5 Cub Parent Weekend
October 25-26 Cub Parent Weekend
Piedmont Scout Reservation - Piedmont Council, BSA:
We have work diligently to insure a great experience for our scouters! We would be excited to be your host for our Council Cub Scout Activities next spring. Most events we offer are open to Out of Council units or individual participants. We offer a Tiger Cub Field Day in April and also a Partner and Pal Weekend in May, Summer Odyssey in July, and Back to Pack Weekend in August.
We also allow Out of Council units to reserve our Cub Scout Camp for their pack to come stay for $10 a person. Reservation is required along with a short term camping permit.
Above are just a few of the many wonderful things that other area councils are offering for Cub Scouts.
Our own Palmetto Council and Camp Bob Hardin, has nothing like this! We do not even come close to matching what others have done! ... Our Palmetto Council and Camp Bob Hardin would be well served to follow the lead of these wonderful area councils and offer the same type of programs for our Cub Scouts! ...
Most importantly, our Palmetto Council area Cub Scouts would be better served if Camp Bob Hardin and our Palmetto Council would adopt these programs.
We all can do better by our Cub Scouts and should! ... The Palmetto Council and Camp Bob Hardin is not trying hard enough to provide the very best for our Cub Scouts! ... Others are doing it, they could too! ... It is just not important enough to them! ... We should all be ashamed of ourselves!!! ...
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rjplum270
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| 11/24/2007 10:38 AM |
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| Well, it sounds like you've done your homework. Why don't you make a proposal to the council, using the programs from other councils as a guide. Judging from the amount of research you did to get all the information in your post, this seems to be a very important topic to you. I think if you were to direct your focus on coming up with an outline for one of these programs for the council, and then submit it to the council, it would go a long way towards having one of these programs within the council. I would love to see it happen. |
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TShealy
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| 11/26/2007 12:05 PM |
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The Council office has addressed this question. Thank you, have a good day.
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William Wallace Tabbot
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| 11/26/2007 3:07 PM |
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You say that the Council office has addressed this question.
I do not recall this question ever having been addressed by the Council office.
If it has been addressed and action taken, then please post what those results were here so that everyone can read and know in what way this question was addressed.
I think everyone would be interested to know! ... |
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GStoner
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| 11/26/2007 3:56 PM |
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I am not sure who the offical person to answer this question might be, but I will throw in my two cents worth.
I cannot argue against the validity or merits of your points, but I am not sure that such a Council event for Cubs up at Camp Hardin is possible just from a size/participation standpoint. My reasoning on this is the recent York District Goldrush weekend, where we had approximately 2,400 people out at Chester State Park on Saturday afternoon (cubs, siblings, parents). We had approxiamtely 600 tents of campers each night, with people camping 0, 1, and 2 nights. And that is ONE of the Council's 5 districts. A council-wide event would hopefully be bigger.
The OA Lodge will not hold its conclave at Camp Hardin, and they only expect 1,500 people for the weekend.
There is just not a good way to deal with a significant crowd up at Camp Hardin at this time. And to comment on something posted earlier, it is 2 hours or so up to Camp Hardin from my side of the Council.
Now that being said, I have great visions for what the Council can do as it moves forward with development of the Conley Clark property. Hopefully when facilities are installed at the property, it will allow Palmetto Council to hold a Council-wide Cub Scouting event. It should be big enough to hold such an event. It is also more centrally-located, which should make it better for some of our Cub Scouters, since they are only going to come out for the day.
Not sure if any of this helps you in anyway, but it is some more information for the debate.
Glenn Stoner
District Commissioner
York District
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Bouldinw
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| 11/27/2007 2:27 PM |
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Dear Mr. Tabbott (and all),
Thank you for your thoughts concerning the Cubs and activities at Camp. Let me introduce myself, I am the Council VP Program, so your question falls in my court. As a matter of fact your question in the form of an email was copied to me while I was out of the country on business just before the holidays. Maybe what Tammy meant by the question having been addressed was that some private email responses were sent though your issues still exist. Don't know. I have not yet caught up with all of my email but had planned to respond directly, but since I discovered this forum I will address the question here for all, so my response may address some generalities for all as well.
First, I am so glad to hear your thoughts about developing ownership in one's home camp. This is a concept that I have been trying incorporate whenever possible and I see things improving in this area though more is needed. Starting at the ground up (Cubs on up) is exactly how you develop loyalty and ultimately financial support and the improved programs and facilities. Scout camps do not get better on their own, and it is largely driven by the volunteers.
To clarify a point for all, "the council" is not some nebulous entity out there that takes care of and supports all of the needs of the area units. Sometimes "the council" is used by some to refer to the professional staff. In reality "the council" consists primarily of the many local volunteers (you and me) as well as the small handful of professionals. That said, the question of Cub activities at CBH is one for volunteers to adress, not the professional staff. Also, in case someone thought this, I do not think it is the intent of the forums for the professional staff to monitor and address questions, rather it was intended as communications tool for the volunteers that wish to participate.
I like the ideas presented for Cub activities. I think some of these could be good additions to our current programs. Regarding Day Camps specifically, I do not see that ever working council wide due to the proximity, however, it might work for one or more of the western districts. It actually takes as much as 2.5 hours each way to drive from parts of Lancaster county. It takes 2 hours from my house in Fort Mill. This will not work for a Day camp. That said, other overnight activities could be organized at CBH. As far as numbers are concerned, anything over 300 people starts becoming a major logistical problem at CBH. This could be alleviated by limiting each event to a maximum number with advanced registration required. No problem.
I mentioned organization. Here in lies the key. This would have to be done solely by our volunteer ranks under the guidance of our Council Activities Chair (that reports to me). One problem we have here is that the Council Activities Chair is charged to work with and support the respective District Activities Chairs. They in turn are his primary resource for planning council level activities (for Cubs, Scouts, etc.). The problem is that the districts are struggling to fill their Activities Committees. As a matter of fact, the only known (to me) District Activities Chair in 2007 was in York District. We have cancelled two council activities meetings already this year due to a lack of participants. This is a problem. I am hopeful that 2008 will present a different story and we can begin to build the overall activities function.
My plan of action at this point is to pass Mr. Tabbott's question along to our Council Activities Chair, Mr. Bill Beers. We will discuss the possibility of initiating new opportunities at CBH. But ultimately, it will be volunteers that will have to step up to make this a reality.
Sincerely, I thank you for your ideas and input. It is good to get other points of view as we are all sometimes blinded by the norm or by just trying to get by from day to day. The council continues to be in a rebuilding phase after a period of decline and turmoil. Things are progressing and looking very positive at the moment. Hopefully, this new seed will sprout even more program growth.
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keithsmith
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| 11/27/2007 7:39 PM |
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Vision without action is a daydream. Action without vision is a nightmare.
-Japanese Proverb
Mr. Tabbott,
To echo others, thank you for your concern, thoughts, and input. I too am
glad to hear from you and anyone with a spark to serve and improve. I serve
Scouting, in one role, on the district level in Spartanburg Co School Dist 1
& 2 and Cherokee County as Vice Chair of Program. (Program efforts
downstream from Wayne Bouldin and Bill Beers at council level).
Scouting needs capable, caring, working volunteers at every level-I have
followed this thread and I am responsible, in part, for recruiting
volunteers in our area for District Committee service. And, as Wayne said,
ultimately it is volunteers that will have to step up to make improvements a
reality-and we are short-handed. Given your strong interest where apathy is
too often found, we would be remiss if we did not give you an opportunity to
help us make improvements in the area you shared.
I would like to extend an invitation for you and our District Committee to
mutually consider you serving alongside us in our Camping and Outdoor Group
as our Cub Scout Camping Promotion member. The Camping/Outdoor committee is
our subgroup that is in alignment with your area of concern and the Cub
Scout Promotion job is an open and needed position of service. We would
welcome your insight and action for improvement, your fresh perspective and
your willingness to be considered to serve-If you are interested, as I hope
you are, please contact RJ Plumley, Camping & Outdoor Chairperson
plumleyrj@wofford.edu, our overall District Chairman Jeff Nelmes
jefftroop211@yahoo.com, or me, Keith Smith at ksmith@pinckneydistrict.org.
I am not sure in what area you live.we would welcome you from any area;
however, particularly if you live anywhere near us in Spartanburg or
Cherokee, please consider my offer for consideration. Thanks and I hope to
have you join us in volunteer service.
Keith Smith
Pinckney District - Palmetto Council, BSA
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RE: Cub Scout Camp Question, etc. ... by Bouldinw
Dear Mr. Tabbott (and all),
Thank you for your thoughts concerning the Cubs and activities at Camp. Let
me introduce myself, I am the Council VP Program, so your question falls in
my court. As a matter of fact your question in the form of an email was
copied to me while I was out of the country on business just before the
holidays. Maybe what Tammy meant by the question having been addressed was
that some private email responses were sent though your issues still exist.
Don't know. I have not yet caught up with all of my email but had planned to
respond directly, but since I discovered this forum I will address the
question here for all, so my response may address some generalities for all
as well.
First, I am so glad to hear your thoughts about developing ownership in
one's home camp. This is a concept that I have been trying incorporate
whenever possible and I see things improving in this area though more is
needed. Starting at the ground up (Cubs on up) is exactly how you develop
loyalty and ultimately financial support and the improved programs and
facilities. Scout camps do not get better on their own, and it is largely
driven by the volunteers.
To clarify a point for all, "the council" is not some nebulous entity out
there that takes care of and supports all of the needs of the area units.
Sometimes "the council" is used by some to refer to the professional staff.
In reality "the council" consists primarily of the many local volunteers
(you and me) as well as the small handful of professionals. That said, the
question of Cub activities at CBH is one for volunteers to adress, not the
professional staff. Also, in case someone thought this, I do not think it is
the intent of the forums for the professional staff to monitor and address
questions, rather it was intended as communications tool for the volunteers
that wish to participate.
I like the ideas presented for Cub activities. I think some of these could
be good additions to our current programs. Regarding Day Camps specifically,
I do not see that ever working council wide due to the proximity, however,
it might work for one or more of the western districts. It actually takes as
much as 2.5 hours each way to drive from parts of Lancaster county. It takes
2 hours from my house in Fort Mill. This will not work for a Day camp. That
said, other overnight activities could be organized at CBH. As far as
numbers are concerned, anything over 300 people starts becoming a major
logistical problem at CBH. This could be alleviated by limiting each event
to a maximum number with advanced registration required. No problem.
I mentioned organization. Here in lies the key. This would have to be done
solely by our volunteer ranks under the guidance of our Council Activities
Chair (that reports to me). One problem we have here is that the Council
Activities Chair is charged to work with and support the respective District
Activities Chairs. They in turn are his primary resource for planning
council level activities (for Cubs, Scouts, etc.). The problem is that the
districts are struggling to fill their Activities Committees. As a matter of
fact, the only known (to me) District Activities Chair in 2007 was in York
District. We have cancelled two council activities meetings already this
year due to a lack of participants. This is a problem. I am hopeful that
2008 will present a different story and we can begin to build the overall
activities function.
My plan of action at this point is to pass Mr. Tabbott's question along to
our Council Activities Chair, Mr. Bill Beers. We will discuss the
possibility of initiating new opportunities at CBH. But ultimately, it will
be volunteers that will have to step up to make this a reality.
Sincerely, I thank you for your ideas and input. It is good to get other
points of view as we are all sometimes blinded by the norm or by just trying
to get by from day to day. The council continues to be in a rebuilding phase
after a period of decline and turmoil. Things are progressing and looking
very positive at the moment. Hopefully, this new seed will sprout even more
program growth.
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billbeers
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| 11/28/2007 12:09 AM |
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Mr. Talbot,
Wayne Bouldin has asked me to reply to your forum concern. Although new to the Palmetto Council, I have been in Scouting a long time and share your interest in providing our Cub Scouts with quality camping experiences. I trust that you will agree that the key word in my last sentence is quality. I will not repeat the issues that limit a quality Cub Scout Camping program at Camp Bob Hardin as I am not as familiar with the camp as those who have already replied to you in earlier messages. I would like to also offer you an opportunity to channel your enthusiasm through the Council Activities and Civic Service Committee. I see that one of the District Vice Chairs for Program has offered you a position on his District Program Team. I encourage you to give this serious consideration. I would also like to ask that you contact me directly so that I can keep you informed of the Council Activities and Civic Service Committee's upcoming meetings and programs should you feel that you would like to contribute other excellent ideas such as you have so passionately expressed for Cub Scout Camping at Camp Bob Hardin. For the sake of organizational synergy, the camping program of the council comes under another Program Committee and I will work with Wayne to make sure that your concerns are addressed in that committee. Because of the real and serious limitations that the other volunteers who have replied to date have outlined, it may be some time before a regular Cub Scout camping program can be held at Camp Bob Hardin or our other camping property. The Activities and Civic Service Committee on the other hand is responsible for planning short term activities such as Camporees and Scout Shows. It may be possible to hold a Cub Scout or Webelos Scout camping weekend at Bob Hardin and I would welcome your suggestions on who beside yourself we might be able to recruit to organize and conduct such an event. A shorter term camping experience may give us all an opportunity to evaluate the suitability of Camp Bob Hardin for Cub Scout Camping. I cannot guarantee such an event will take place as we must make sure that we have adequate volunteers to conduct such an event in a safe manner. I would like to discuss this with you by phone or in person. You may reach me at work at (803) 277-2276 or at home at (803) 327-4991. I hope that you are getting the answers you need to your concern. Please do not hesitate to contact me directly on any other matter relating to Council Activities or Civic Service programs.
Bill Beers
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Bouldinw
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| 11/28/2007 10:02 AM |
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First of all, thanks for the replies thus far. For your reference, Mr.Tabbot resides within the L&C district. But I am sure there are opportunities there as well for District Committee participation.
I realized after my prior reply that I was remiss in addressing another aspect of the question. Camping related activities can be addressed within our established Activities & Civic Service Committee as well as within our Camping & Outdoor Committee, it simply depends on the venue and context. The latter committee is primarily focused on our camping facilities (Camp Bob Hardin) and our summer resident camp program. Our Activities Committe can plan & conduct programs at CBH as well, which is what I focused on earlier. Just as a reference, Cub Day Camp is a function of the respective District Activities Committees.
Some of the examples from other camps as presented by Mr. Tabbot could be, and perhaps should be, an extension of the "summer camp" program that would be operated by our summer camp staff along with other volunteers. Currently our camping program consists os two sessions (w/i 1 week) of Webelos Resident Camp followed by five weeks of Boy Scout camp, and most often followed by one week of camp dedicated to LDS girls. It is conceivable that another week could be added before or after the LDS girls camp dedicated to Cub overnight camping. I think this could be a good addition. I will speak to our Council Camping Committee as well as the summer Camp & Program Directors about this. Unfortunately, the Council Camping Committee does not have another scheduled meeting until February, but that's where email fits in. Also, did I mention that I am in search of a new Chair for this committee? That fact may slow the process some, just FYI.
As anything should develop in this area, I will try to keep you posted. Also as a reference, our Council Camping Committe consists of the District Camping Committee members as well as a couple of additional folks.
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William Wallace Tabbot
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| 11/28/2007 10:57 AM |
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Great postings everyone! ... I look forward to responding in detail to all of them! ...
I found some information that I think all involved with the Cub Scouts will find exciting and please spread the word about all listed below. Some of these are time sensitive so I wanted to get it out to you as soon as possible! ...
Some items will instruct you to click on it to get further information, but obviously that does not work through this forum page so you will need to go to the following web adress and then you can click on it there:
http://www.piedmontcouncilbsa.org/science_center_camp-ins.htm
Below is a copy of what you will find:
Catawba Science Center Camp-Ins for 2008!
To register for a Catawba Science Center Camp-in just click on the name of the group that your son is in and the registration form will appear on your screen. Print the registration form and follow the directions on the form to register.
Please send registration and payment to: Catawba Science Center, PO Box 2431, Hickory, NC 28603.
For more information, please contact Catawba Science Center at (828) 322-8169.
Registration forms will be available at a later date.
Click Below for Registration DATES
Tiger Cubs February 23rd and March 1st 2008
Wolves Camp-In February 15-16th and March 14-15th, 2008
Bear's Camp-In March 7-8th and March 28-29th, 2008
Webelo's Camp-In January 18-19th and February 1-2nd, 2008
SCIENCE CENTER
MERIT BADGE OPPORTUNITIES
These are great opportunities for all Cub Scouts. Please plan to attend if you are interested. Also, you will notice that the last item actually refers to Boy Scouts and merit badge opportunities ... PLEASE NOTE: THIS IS VERY TIME SENSITIVE! ... DEADLINE IS DECEMBER 1st! ... So hurry if you are interested.
I hope this information is helpful to all of you.
William Wallace Tabbot
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William Wallace Tabbot
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| 11/28/2007 11:35 AM |
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Partner & Pal 2008
May 17-18, 2008
Limited to first 200 Scouts plus adults and additional family members - deadline to register is Wednesday, May 7, 2008.
Activities:
Archery
BB Shooting
Nature
Scavenger Hunt
Camping
Hiking
Fishing
Games
and More!!!
WHO:
Wolves, Bears, Parents, Leaders, and Cubmasters: All second and third graders (Wolves and Bears) need to be in attendance for this awesome outdoor adventure. The Piedmont Council will be hosting a Spring Partner & Pal at the Cub Scout Camp on the Piedmont Scout Reservation from May 17-18, 2008. Reservations will be taken through May 7, 2008. After May 7th, please call the Scout Office at 704-864-2694 (Ext. 135-Kara Miller) to check on availability. Only the first 200 boys will be admitted plus the parents, leaders and/or other family members. All accepted applications will receive a confirmation letter which must be brought with you when you check-in at camp.
COST:
The cost is TBA, per pair for each Cub Scout and one parent/guardian and TBA for each additional family member. The fee includes a patch per participant, your Saturday evening meal and Sunday morning breakfast, and all the fun you can have! NOTE: After May 7, 2008, the cost rises to TBA per pair and TBA for each additional family member.
Council Platform Tents will be provided if needed at an additional cost of $2.00/each, available on a first come first serve basis. Cots will not be provided, please bring sleeping mats or camping cots
Click here for registration form (pdf)
Once again you will not be able to click above, but you can get this information by going to the following:
http://www.piedmontcouncilbsa.org/partner_n_pal.htm
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William Wallace Tabbot
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| 11/28/2007 12:19 PM |
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By the way, I forgot to mention that the previous two postings are COUNCIL SPONSORED EVENTS from the Piedmont Council, BSA in NC. They are not a function of the respective District Activities Committees. It is not necessary to go through any particular District Activity Committee. This is all handled at the "council" level. The same is true for their Cub Scout Day Camps which I will post here as well once the information becomes available. I hope this information was helpful for all of you.
Thanks!
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Bouldinw
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| 11/28/2007 2:48 PM |
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If the districts could fill their Activities Committees and these folks would come together to form the Council Activities Committee (as it should be and we are striving for), then they could choose to do some of these events as council wide events if they so desired. I knwo from a Boy Scout perspective that it is incredibly difficult to pull together a Council Camporee without a support group like this. I did it for five years! And then there is the space issue.
Anyway, for whatever the reasons, our council's districts have chosen in the past to handle their own Cub events. One reason I am sure is the expectation that they will get more participation when held at a more local venue. As a reference, York district has typically sponsored three Cub events being a Cub & Pal, Day Camp, and Gold Rush, all in addition to the Scout Show which involves all levels of scouting. The Cub & Pal has not had great participation whatever the reason. Last year a new event was added, dubbed the Wateree, which involved Cubs & Scouts. It was well attended and will be done again this year (May). The Scout Show involves York and L&C. The Gold Rush this year ended up with some participation from L&C; not sure how that will evolve given the massive numbers of people.
On Merit badges, etc., that crosses over into the responsibility of the Advancement & Recognition Committees. York has held Merit Badge Colleges for many years now. Last year L&C hosted their first and plan to repeat this year. There has been some talk of starting a similar program for Webelos Activities. Glen Robinson of L&C hosted a special Merit Badge program during the summer break. I understand it was quite successful. Duke Power used to offer a MB program at Catwaba Nuclear Station, but that had to be eliminated due to security concerns after 9/11. Not sure who, where or when at the moment. More advancement opportunities are always a good thing. |
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bbobinski277
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| 11/28/2007 3:52 PM |
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Wayne,
We spent 5 years with the Shennandoah Council (Potomac District in WV) in
Cubs prior to moving here. They had 1 week at Camp Rock Enon (also a mountainous
camp) of cub scout resident camp (parents were not required but the adult
ratio of leaders was higher than Boy Scouts) They did not however have Webelos
in the summer, but in the fall they had Weblos Wood II and in the Spring
Webelos Woods I, they also offered a spring parent/child cub weekend and in the
fall a father/cub weekend. They also did have district day camp in the summer
locally. We never had the wonderful great GOLD RUSH that York District has.
Arleen & Bill Bobinski
Troop 277
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William Wallace Tabbot
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| 11/28/2007 4:21 PM |
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I have gotten a little behind on responding to these posts, but I did want follow up on the reply from Tammy Shealy. She reminded me by e-mail that Mr. Rob Green had addressed the question. He did contact me and I did remember his e-mail but I did not realize that he was at the council level. I am sure it was probably on there somewhere but I must have missed it somehow. I am not sure if it actually addressed the question because he said he was going to forward it on to two decision-makers. So, it was making progress at least. I do not know who those two "decision-makers" were (I wish I did) but I did want to give credit where credit is due. I was very pleased with Mr. Green's response. It was very enthusiastic, hopeful, and positive. So, I want to applaude Mr. Green for caring enough about the topic to respond in the manner in which he did. ... Well done Mr. Green! ... I had sent out probably two dozen or more e-mails by that time and no one had responded until he did except for one little running e-mail "conversation" I had one day with Benjamin Maultsby. ... I spent several hours back and forth with him one day and I could not even get him to understand the question! His answers seemed very evasive, as if, he knew the answer, he just wasn't going to tell me. ... But, I'm not going to acuse him of that, ... I'll just assume he did not understand the question. ... I don't know, maybe my question was too vague. ... You all be the judge, it is the exact same question that I began this forum with! ... You all seem to understand what I was asking.
Anyway, thankfully, I think he got fed up with my persistence, and passed my e-mail on to Mr. Green (finally sanity at last!) I am enclosing Mr. Green's e-mail for you all to read and to say thank you to him for his help. Also, I think the banter between myself and Mr. Maultsby is attached to that as well. ...You may find it amusing. ...
Mr. Green's response to me is as follows:
Mr. Tabbot,
I agree with your assessment that Cub Scouts would like more camp out
opportunities at CBH. I am forwarding you comments to two decision-makers
who help implement good ideas.
We are always looking for ways to better serve Scouts. I especially like
the Cub and Parent weekends option at Daniel Boone.
Most Districts haven't organized their events (such as a Cub Family Camping
weekends) at Bob Hardin because they don't think parents will drive that
far. That's debatable--but definitely true for a Day Camp (daily drop-off
and pick-up).
Our Camp is nearly 100 miles away from many of our Scout families. We are
beginning (slowly)some development of a centrally-located property, which
may help with this.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Benjamin Maultsby" <maultsbyba@yahoo.com>
To: "Rob Green" <rgreen@bsamail.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:31 PM
Subject: Fwd: Re: Cub Scout Camp Question, etc. ...
>
> --- William Tabbot <tabbot@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > From: "William Tabbot" <tabbot@earthlink.net>
> > To: "Benjamin Maultsby" <maultsbyba@yahoo.com>
> > CC: <tabbot@earthlink.net>
> > Subject: Re: Cub Scout Camp Question, etc. ...
> > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:54:20 -0500
> >
> > You totally missed my point!
> >
> > I know there are activities available. ... They are
> > just not offered at Camp Bob Hardin! ... All of the
> > other local area councils have their Cub Scout
> > activities at their respective council owned camp
> > properties! ...
> >
> > That was my point.
> >
> > P.S.:
> >
> > Do you understand what I am saying? ... The finer
> > point to all of this is that a Cub Scout gains a
> > greater degree of enrichment and the full "scouting"
> > experience when he is at a "real" scout camp
> > property as opposed to some arbitrary University
> > Campus or other non scout related location. ... Do
> > you see what I am saying? ... This year, I think
> > they are planning to have a Cub Scout Day Camp at
> > the Union County Fairgrounds property! ... Think
> > about it ... If you were a little kid, where would
> > you want to earn your Archery Belt Loop? ...
> >
> > At a flat dusty fairground next to a highway and
> > ratty old high school football stadium ... or ... In
> > the pristine tranquil setting of a scout camp like
> > Camp Bob Hardin? ...
> >
> > Think about it ...
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Benjamin Maultsby" <maultsbyba@yahoo.com>
> > To: "William Tabbot" <tabbot@earthlink.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: Cub Scout Camp Question, etc. ...
> >
> >
> > > Mr. Tabbot,
> > >
> > > we do offer cub day camps and family camping
> > weekends
> > > in every district in the council. I am leaving
> > the
> > > council as of November 30th and fell that you
> > would be
> > > better served regarding the adittion of new
> > programs
> > > by Rob Green. Rob is our Scout Executive and his
> > > email is rgreen@bsamail.org.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ben Maultsby
> > > --- William Tabbot <tabbot@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Thank you very much for your reply.
> > >>
> > >> I understand that there are camps available for
> > >> Webelos. I consider the Webelos a separate
> > entity. I
> > >> was refering to the broader Cub Scout membership
> > in
> > >> the council. Being the following:
> > >> a.. Tiger Cubs
> > >> b.. Wolfs
> > >> c.. Bears
> > >> For example, other council camps offer the
> > >> following:
> > >> a.. Camp Rainey Mountain - Northeast Georgia
> > >> Council, BSA:
> > >> Family Camping Weekend
> > >> Cub Scouts and their families can spend a
> > spring
> > >> weekend camping in the beautiful mountains of
> > North
> > >> Georgia. This event is organized by the council,
> > is
> > >> held at Camp Rainey Mountain and involves packs
> > from
> > >> all over Northeast Georgia. Activities include
> > >> games, crafts, hikes, campfire program, or just
> > >> rocking on the porch (rocking chairs provided)
> > Held
> > >> at Camp Rainey Mountain near Clayton, GA.
> > >>
> > >> Fun With Son
> > >> Participate in this special one-on-one weekend
> > >> experience of a lifetime for a Cub Scout and his
> > >> parent. The fun begins on Saturday early
> > afternoon
> > >> and concludes on Sunday morning. You can fish,
> > hike,
> > >> swim, canoe, make crafts, sing songs, participate
> > in
> > >> the evening campfire program, etc. Eat in the
> > camp
> > >> dining hall and sleep in the camp tents. This
> > >> activity is held on two different weekends during
> > >> the summer at Camp Rainey Mountain.
> > >>
> > >> Cub Scout Day Camp/Twilight Camp
> > >> The camp that comes to you! Have lots of FUN
> > with
> > >> your Cub Scout friends! Twenty-nine (29) camps
> > will
> > >> be held throughout Northeast Georgia during June
> > and
> > >> July. A weeklong camp program for Cub Scouts. Day
> > >> Camps usually last from 9 am until 3 pm. Twilight
> > >> Camps are held during the evening hours and
> > usually
> > >> last from 5 pm until 9 pm. Activities include
> > arts,
> > >> crafts, songs, skits, archery, bb shooting,
> > nature,
> > >> etc. Attend one or more!! To participate, a boy
> > must
> > >> have completed the first grade and be a
> > registered
> > >> Cub Scout.
> > >>
> > >> Scoutland Adventure Camp
> > >> Any Cub Scout Can Attend Scoutland Adventure
> > Camp
> > >> - There is something for everyone!
> > >> Spend 4 days and 3 nights at Scoutland on Lake
> > >> Lanier, near Gainesville, GA. Days are packed
> > with
> > >> fun and nights are spent under the stars. Eat
> > your
> > >> meals in the camp dining hall and bunk in a
> > >> two-person tent with another Scout or your
> > parent.
> > >> Six camps are held during the month of July.
> > >>
> > >> Cubs who have graduated into the 2nd or 3rd
> > grade
> > >> by June can swim, spend a day on the lake, learn
> > >> handicrafts and much more. What a great time for
> > a
> > >> boy and his parent to spend time together in the
> > >> great outdoors this summer.
> > >>
> > >> b.. Camp Daniel Boone - Daniel Boone Council,
> > BSA:
> > >>
> > >> Cub Scouts from other areas may attend our Cub
> > >> Scout events. We don't have a resident camp for
> > Cub
> > >> Scouts in the summer but we do have several Cub
> > >> Scout Day Camps. We also annually have 2 major
> > Cub
> > >> Scout Campouts in October, the Cub-Parent Campout
> > >> and the Cub Family Campout. There is also a Mom
> > and
> > >> Cub campout in the spring, but dads also come to
> > >> this with their Cub Scouts, moms are not
> > mandatory.
> > >>
> > >> 2008 Cub Programs at CDB
> > >> April 19 - 20 Cub Parent Weekend
> > >>
> > >> October 4-5 Cub Parent Weekend
> > >>
> > >> October 25-26 Cub Parent Weekend
> > >>
> > >> a.. Piedmont Scout Reservation - Piedmont
> > Council,
> > >> BSA:
> > >> We have work diligently to insure a great
> > >> experience for our scouters! We would be
> > excited
> > >> to be your host for our Council Cub Scout
> > Activities
> > >> next spring. Most events we offer are open to
> > Out
> > >> of Council units or individual participants. We
> > >> offer a Tiger Cub Field Day in April and also a
> > >> Partner and Pal Weekend in May, Summer Odyssey in
> > >> July, and Back to Pack Weekend in August.
> > >> We also allow Out of Council units to reserve
> > our
> > >> Cub Scout Camp for their pack to come stay for
> > $10 a
> > >> person. Reservation is required along with a
> > short
> > >> term camping permit.
> > >>
> > >> Above are just a few of the many wonderful things
> > >> that other area councils are offering for Cub
> > >> Scouts.
> > >>
> > >> To the best of my knowledge, our own Palmetto
> > >> Council and Camp Bob Hardin, has nothing like
> > this!
> > >> We do not even come close to matching what others
> > >> have done! ... Our Palmetto Council and Camp Bob
> > >> Hardin would be well served to follow the lead of
> > >> these wonderful area councils and offer the same
> > >> type of programs for our Cub Scouts! ...
> > >>
> > >> Most importantly, our Palmetto Council area Cub
> > >> Scouts would be better served if Camp Bob Hardin
> > and
> > >> our Palmetto Council would adopt these programs.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Benjamin Maultsby" <maultsbyba@yahoo.com>
> > >> To: "William Tabbot" <tabbot@earthlink.net>
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:50 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: Cub Scout Camp Question, etc. ...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Mr. Tabbot,
> > >> >
> > >> > We do offer two three day resident camps for
> > the
> > >> > webelos scouts in the summer before the boy
> > scout
> > >> camp
> > >> > begins at Camp Bob Hardin. I have also
> > forwarded
> > >> your
> > >> > email to our Scout Executive, Rob Green.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > Ben Maultsby
> > >> > --- William Tabbot <tabbot@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Do you offer any camp activities for Cub
> > Scouts
> > >> at
> > >> >> Camp Bob Hardin any time during the year or
> > >> summer?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I have noticed that each of your respective
> > >> >> districts have a day camp or even overnight
> > camps
> > >> >> scattered over various locations, but, I do
> > not
> > >> see
> > >> >> any type of centralized camps at Camp Bob
> > Hardin
> > >> >> for Cub Scouts to participate in as a unified
> > >> group
> > >> >> within the Palmetto Council.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> This seems very strange. ... Virtually every
> > >> scout
> > >> >> council within our local area of South
> > Carolina,
> > >> >> North Carolina, and Georgia, to name a few,
> > offer
> > >> a
> > >> >> great many camp opportunities for their Cub
> > >> Scouts
> > >> >> on their respective council camp properties.
> > Blue
> > >> >> Ridge Council, Piedmont Council, Daniel Boone
> > >> >> Council, Northeast Georgia Council, etc. ...
> > All
> > >> >> offer on site camps for their Cub Scouts at
> > their
> > >> >> respective council camps but Camp Bob Hardin
> > >> >> aparently does not. ... Why is that? ...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Cub Scouts from all councils from across
> > america
> > >> >> including our Palmetto Council, are welcomed
> > by
> > >> Camp
> > >> >> Daniel Boone, Piedmont Scout Reservation, Camp
> > >> Old
> > >> >> Indian, Camp Rainey Mountain, etc. ... but our
> > >> own
> > >> >> Cub Scouts within the Palmetto Council are not
> > >> >> allowed to attend our own Camp Bob Hardin! ...
> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Why is that? ...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Please correct me if I am wrong about there
> > not
> > >> >> being any Cub Scout Camps at our own Camp Bob
> > >> >> Hardin. Are there any? If not, do you plan to
> > >> change
> > >> >> this policy in the near future?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I would like to see my son, as well as the
> > sons
> > >> of
> > >> >> all Palmetto Council members, be able to
> > attend
> > >> Cub
> > >> >> Scout Camps at our own council owned camp
> > >> facillity
> > >> >> rather than various locations scattered across
> > >> the
> > >> >> Palmetto Council region. This only seems
> > logical
> > >> and
> > >> >> reasonable! ...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If other councils are able to do it, then,
> > there
> > >> is
> > >> >> no reasonable explanation why the Palmetto
> > >> Council
> > >> >> can not do it as well. This needs to be done
> > to
> > >> >> provide for a more unified council in which
> > all
> > >> it's
> > >> >> members can feel a part of and be proud of.
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > > === message truncated ===
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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William Wallace Tabbot
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| 11/28/2007 4:31 PM |
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I am glad you brought up that about the "Gold Rush". I really like that idea, what little bit I have heard of it. I think the Northeast Georgia Council, BSA has something similar to that as well! ...
Could someone tell me more about your "Gold Rush" program you have in York? |
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