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nwasness
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| 02/27/2008 12:05 PM |
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Hi William
The Baloo Training will be at Oakbrook Preparatory School located on 190 Lincoln School Road
Spartanburg, SC 29301 (Westside Spartanburg). Starting at 8:15am. Saturday, March 8, 2008.
Most likely Youth Protection will be offered there. If not you may take the training online at http://www.scouting.org/Applications/MyScoutingFull.aspx
If you are new to this site you must create an account. You will need your BSA Membership card and a working printer. After taking a course, a certificate will be presented on the screen. Print the screen and bring the certificate to Trina Bosley at the Scout Office so that it can be recorded.
Have any questions please call the Scout Office for the latest information on training.
Nancy Wasness
Roundtable Commissioner, MCS
Pinckney District, Palmetto Council, BSA
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William Wallace Tabbot
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| 02/27/2008 12:23 PM |
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Thanks for the information ...
Do we have to sign up ahead of time for the BALOO Training or do we just show up on the day of the event? ...
If we need to pre-register, where do we do that?
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nwasness
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| 02/27/2008 12:33 PM |
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Call the scout office and ask to have your name added to the list. This will allow them to have enough materials and food items available for everyone.
Pay the trainer that day. I do not know the fee but it should be from $7-$10.
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William Wallace Tabbot
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| 02/27/2008 1:20 PM |
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Thanks!,
Do you know anything about the Safe Climb Training(I think that is what it is called)? What is it and when will it be offered?
I'm asking because it is listed as a requirement on the Local Tour Permit. |
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nwasness
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| 02/27/2008 3:08 PM |
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Hi William
Good Question.
I will have to look into this I will post something tomorrow on this subject.
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wbouldin
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| 02/27/2008 6:02 PM |
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As far as I am aware, Climb On Safely training is only required for climbing events. Similar situation with the Safety Afloat and Safe Swim. What I remember about the Tour Permit is that it is set up generically to cover all situations. If you will not be climbing, boating, or swimming, then it is okay to leave those lines blank.
Just like Youth Protection, Safe Swim and Safety Afloat can be completed online. I am uncertain about Climb On Safely.
Hope this helps.
Wayne Bouldin
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nwasness
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| 02/27/2008 10:04 PM |
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Climb on Safely training is for all levels scouting that BSA offers. That includes Cub Scouts in a limits based on Age-Appropriate Guidelines for Scouting Activities found in the Guide to Safe Scouting.
This training class does not require Rock Climbing Instructor and should not be confused with instructor certification any kind. The class is ment only to familiarize adult leaders of the rules and regulations of climbing and rappelling including staff needed when going on said activities.
The Climb on Safely training can be held during roundtables or separately at an Adult Leader Training Saturdays. The Palmetto Council is currently building a training team. Currently we have not add this training class to the program. If more requests are made, I sure that the council will consider adding the class.
I used the attached link below as my reference to answering this forum question.
http://www.directservicebsa.org/pdf/20-101.pdf
Thanks
Nancy Wasness
Roundtable Commissioner, MCS
Pinckney District, Palmetto Council, BSA
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wbouldin
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| 02/27/2008 10:42 PM |
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Thank you Nancy.
The Council actually has a training committee, led by Bob Ormseth of Fort Mill. They are always looking to add new members and trying to add new training opportunities where there is a demand. Separate from that we are in the process of forming a new committee dedicated to climbing. They will be offering Climbing Instructor certification opportunities and could possibly also be used as a resource for teaching the Climb On Safely course.
But again, Mr. Tabbott, unless your tour permit covers a climbing related event, Climb On Safely is not specifically required for the permit to be approved. Hope that clarifies things. |
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nwasness
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| 02/28/2008 7:41 AM |
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Hi Mr. Boudlin
Thank you for correcting me. I was referring to the Spartanburg County Districts setting up a tridistrict training team. I apologize for the confusion.
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wbouldin
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| 02/28/2008 9:32 AM |
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Hello Nancy,
Good to know the three districts are working to increase the training force. Very important. I was given the names and contact information for the three districts' Training Chairs, but I would like to add you to my Council Training contact list. Would you mind please sending your contact information to me at tooldad@fmtc.net? Thanks.
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William Wallace Tabbot
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| 02/29/2008 12:44 PM |
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The Council has posted an announcement about the BALOO Training with a couple of attachments for the Agenda and directions. ...
I am not sure why but I can never get any attachments to open from the council's website. I don't have any problems with it anywhere else, just the Palmetto Council website. There must be some kind of glich somewhere, but I don't know what.
Anyway, would anyone be kind enough to e-mail the BALOO Agenda and directions attachments to me? My e-mail address is tabbot@earthlink.net I just can't figure out this attachment problem I keep having. All I get when I click on the attachments is a blank white screen. I don't know if it is on the council's end or my end or what. Like I said though, I have no problems opening anything from anywhere except this website.
I would really appreciate anyone's help with this. Once again my e-mail address is: tabbot@earthlink.net
Thanks,
Bill
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William Wallace Tabbot
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| 03/17/2008 10:39 AM |
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EUREKA!!!
WE HAVE FINALLY DONE IT!
I have recently found out that, finally, there is going to be a Cub Scout Camp at Camp Bob Hardin! ...
GREAT JOB EVERYONE!
This is a great beginning to having Cub Scout Camps at Camp Bob Hardin and was long over due! ... Now, let's everyone get out and support this with a great turn out so more activities like this or even better may be offered for Cub Scouts at Camp Bob Hardin in the future! ...
I challenge all Packs in the Palmetto Council to sign up for this great event! ... That includes my son's Pack 2! ... We never participate in any council events! ... We need to step up and support our council Pack 2! ...
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK PALMETTO COUNCIL! |
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William Wallace Tabbot
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| 03/17/2008 10:54 AM |
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BB Shooting & Archery Belt Loops & Pins
Cub Scouts & Webelos
I have a question I hope someone here can help me with. How can a Cub Scout and/or Webelo earn their Belt Loops and/or Pins for BB Shooting & Archery here in the Palmetto Council? …
I know that they must be earned at a Day Camp or other Council Sponsored Camp or activity. … I also know that Archery and BB Shooting will be offered at both the Cub Scout Day Camp in June and the “Fun With Son” Camp at Camp Bob Hardin in July. (By the way, I just wanted to once again say “GREAT JOB” to the Council for organizing a Cub Scout Camp at Camp Bob Hardin! This is something that was much needed and I applaude everyone for their efforts in making this happen! That whole topic was how this message board got started in the first place and I am glad to see that we are beginning to make some steps in the right direction.) …
Back to my question, I know these are activities that are being offered but according to the Boy Scouts of America, there is a HUGE difference in offering it as an activity and offering it as meeting the requirements for the Belt Loops and Pins! …
The BB Shooting & Archery Belt Loops can only be awarded by a BSA range-trained shooting sports director! … And, there is special training involved in this that I do not think anyone involved in these two camps has. Therefore, no Cub Scout would be allowed to earn these awards at these camps even if Archery and BB Shooting are being offered as activities.
This is not a criticism, merely an observation and having noted it as such, this brings me back to my question:
How can a Cub Scout and/or Webelo earn their Belt Loops and/or Pins for BB Shooting & Archery here in the Palmetto Council?
I know some people will think I’m trying to stir up trouble here with this question but I really am not. I ask this and other questions here because I know there are a lot of knowlegable people here that have been involved in these activities for a long time and I know you all know a lot more about this than I do, so, I just wondered if anyone here had any insight on this topic that they could share with me.
I want my son to be able to earn his Belt Loops in Archery & BB Shooting this summer at camp and I wanted to know how this could be accomplished since I do not think our camps meet the BSA rules and regulations for these activities. … I hope I am wrong about this. Could someone please shed some light on this for me? …
Below are quotes from the BSA official guidelines that pertain to my very concern:
Cub Scout Sports
for Camp Only
BB - Shooting
The requirements listed below were taken from
Shooting Sports for Cub Scouts, Webelos Scouts, and Parents in Camp, No. 13 -550, 2003 printing
The requirements for the Loop and Pin were completely rewrittten since the previous edition.
Click here to see the previous requirements.
BB- gun shooting, is a camp program. Boys can earn BB- gun recognition items only at council/district day camp, resident camp, or council- managed family camping programs BB- Gun programs are not permitted at den and pack activities . However, leaders can help parents understand the importance of training and encourage attendance of boys at Cub Scout camps that offer this training.
Many Cub Scouts have BB guns or air rifles at home and will be exposed to some type of firearm while growing up. Parents should understand that safety is as necessary with BB guns and air rifles as it is in any other aspect of shooting. Training is essential in learning how to shoot well, and safe shooting habits developed early help provide the atmosphere for learning these skills.
Gun -shooting sports are not an approved part of the Cub Scout program,
except at Cub Scout day or resident camp.
At camp, boys might have an opportunity to take part in a BB -gun (rifle) safety and marksmanship program under the direction of a trained BB- gun range officer. These range officers must attend a three- hour training program conducted by a National Camping School - certified field sports director or National Rifle Association (NRA) instructor.
The BB-Gun Shooting belt loop and pin can only be awarded by a BSA range-trained shooting- sports director
Page 1 of 4 Cub Scout Sports for Camp Only 2/24/2008 http://usscouts.org/usscouts/advance/cubscout/sports/BBgun.asp
Also, …
Cub Scout Sports
for Camp Only
Archery
The requirements listed below were taken from
Shooting Sports for Cub Scouts, Webelos Scouts, and Parents in Camp, No. 13-550, 2003 printing The requirements for the Loop and Pin were completely rewrittten
since the previous edition.
Click here to see the previous requirements.
Archery, like BB - gun shooting, is a camp program. Boys can earn archery recognition items only at council/district day camp, resident camp, or council -managed family camping programs
Archery programs are not permitted at den and pack activities . However, leaders can help parents understand the importance of training and encourage attendance of boys at Cub Scout camps that offer this training.
To be a qualified and trained archery range supervisor, adults must take part in an archery supervisor training program conducted by the local council with the help of a National Camping School -certified field sports director or a National Archery Association (NAA) instructor.
The Archery belt loop and pin can only be awarded by a BSA range-trained shooting- sports director. Earning the Archery Belt Loop while a Wolf Cub Scout
also satisfies Elective 20c (toward Wolf Arrow Points).
Belt Loop
Cub Scouts and Webelos Scouts can earn the archery belt loop by participating in the archery safety program at Cub Scout camp.
Sports Pin
Complete these three requirements:
Page 1 of 3 Cub Scout Sports for Camp Only 2/24/2008 http://usscouts.org/usscouts/advance/cubscout/sports/archery.asp
As you can see, from the above quotes from the BSA, there is much more involved in earning or being allowed to award for that matter, the BB Shooting & Archery Belt Loops & Pins than just offering it as an activity at camp. There is special training involved apparently that I do not think we are offering.
Having said all that, how can my son or any other Cub Scout ever earn these Belt Loops and/or Pins here in the Palmetto Council? …
I am sure this issue must have come up before. I would find it hard to believe that out of the hundreds or more than a thousand (however many there are) Cub Scouts in the Palmetto Council, that there is not a single one that has ever earned these belt loops and pins.
Does anyone know of a Cub Scout that has and how is it done given the above listed restrictions?
Please, someone help me with this so I can help my son earn these belt loops.
This, by the way, is not isolated to the Palmetto Council, I have found this problem to be quite common in other Councils throughout South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, and Virginia.
So, once again, this is not a criticism. I just want to know how I can help my son and other Cub Scouts earn their BB Shooting & Archery Belt Loops & Pins. I know absolutely nothing about shooting sports! And, I am certainly not trained and would not know where to even begin! … Growing up, my parents never allowed me to shoot anything not even supervised! I have never even held a gun or bow and arrow of any kind in my hands. Never even touched one! But, I do not want my son to miss out just because I have never done it. …
Can anyone help me with this question about earning these belt loops?
I do know that they can be earned at Camp Rock Enon of the Shenandoah Area Council, BSA near Winchester, Virginia and at Camp Thunder of the Flint River Council, BSA in Georgia.
We do have tentative plans to go to these camps this summer if we can’t get it here locally. But, no one should have to do that. Is there any way our son can earn these belt loops here in our own council?
I appreciate anyone’s help with this. …
Thanks!
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Sharon
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| 03/17/2008 1:43 PM |
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Mr. Tabbott:
Piedmont Day Camp has of this point-a BB range BSA certified instructor. The Palmetto Council has conducted all of its camps in accordance with National standards. Furthermore Palmetto Council has several nationally trained shooting sports train the trainers. Who have trained numerous instructors for camp use over the last several years.
The next two training dates are April 12 at CBH and May 10th locally in Spartanburg. If you would like to sign up for the training so you can qualify to volunteer at either day camp or cub and pal camp contact the council office. Please come fill out an application so we can get your background check done and get you approved as a leader. Only BSA approved members can take the training.
Personally I can only hope you are asking these questions so you can be the Piedmont Day Camp Archery Instructor. Could this be the reason for your inquiry?
Y.I.S.
Sharon Sutton
Piedmont District Day Camp Director
Sharon Sutton
Store Manager
Palmetto Scout Shop
864-515-9732
ssutton@bsamail.org
www.scoustuff.org
www.palmettocouncil.org
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RE: Cub Scout Camp Question, etc. ... by William Wallace Tabbot
BB Shooting & Archery Belt Loops & Pins
Cub Scouts & Webelos
I have a question I hope someone here can help me with. How can a Cub Scout and/or Webelo earn their Belt Loops and/or Pins for BB Shooting & Archery here in the Palmetto Council? …
I know that they must be earned at a Day Camp or other Council Sponsored Camp or activity. … I also know that Archery and BB Shooting will be offered at both the Cub Scout Day Camp in June and the “Fun With Son” Camp at Camp Bob Hardin in July. (By the way, I just wanted to once again say “GREAT JOB” to the Council for organizing a Cub Scout Camp at Camp Bob Hardin! This is something that was much needed and I applaude everyone for their efforts in making this happen! That whole topic was how this message board got started in the first place and I am glad to see that we are beginning to make some steps in the right direction.) …
Back to my question, I know these are activities that are being offered but according to the Boy Scouts of America, there is a HUGE difference in offering it as an activity and offering it as meeting the requirements for the Belt Loops and Pins! …
The BB Shooting & Archery Belt Loops can only be awarded by a BSA range-trained shooting sports director! … And, there is special training involved in this that I do not think anyone involved in these two camps has. Therefore, no Cub Scout would be allowed to earn these awards at these camps even if Archery and BB Shooting are being offered as activities.
This is not a criticism, merely an observation and having noted it as such, this brings me back to my question:
How can a Cub Scout and/or Webelo earn their Belt Loops and/or Pins for BB Shooting & Archery here in the Palmetto Council?
I know some people will think I’m trying to stir up trouble here with this question but I really am not. I ask this and other questions here because I know there are a lot of knowlegable people here that have been involved in these activities for a long time and I know you all know a lot more about this than I do, so, I just wondered if anyone here had any insight on this topic that they could share with me.
I want my son to be able to earn his Belt Loops in Archery & BB Shooting this summer at camp and I wanted to know how this could be accomplished since I do not think our camps meet the BSA rules and regulations for these activities. … I hope I am wrong about this. Could someone please shed some light on this for me? …
Below are quotes from the BSA official guidelines that pertain to my very concern:
Cub Scout Sports
for Camp Only
BB - Shooting
The requirements listed below were taken from
Shooting Sports for Cub Scouts, Webelos Scouts, and Parents in Camp, No. 13 -550, 2003 printing
The requirements for the Loop and Pin were completely rewrittten since the previous edition.
Click here to see the previous requirements.
BB- gun shooting, is a camp program. Boys can earn BB- gun recognition items only at council/district day camp, resident camp, or council- managed family camping programs BB- Gun programs are not permitted at den and pack activities . However, leaders can help parents understand the importance of training and encourage attendance of boys at Cub Scout camps that offer this training.
Many Cub Scouts have BB guns or air rifles at home and will be exposed to some type of firearm while growing up. Parents should understand that safety is as necessary with BB guns and air rifles as it is in any other aspect of shooting. Training is essential in learning how to shoot well, and safe shooting habits developed early help provide the atmosphere for learning these skills.
Gun -shooting sports are not an approved part of the Cub Scout program,
except at Cub Scout day or resident camp.
At camp, boys might have an opportunity to take part in a BB -gun (rifle) safety and marksmanship program under the direction of a trained BB- gun range officer. These range officers must attend a three- hour training program conducted by a National Camping School - certified field sports director or National Rifle Association (NRA) instructor.
The BB-Gun Shooting belt loop and pin can only be awarded by a BSA range-trained shooting- sports director
Page 1 of 4 Cub Scout Sports for Camp Only 2/24/2008 http://usscouts.org/usscouts/advance/cubscout/sports/BBgun.asp
Also, …
Cub Scout Sports
for Camp Only
Archery
The requirements listed below were taken from
Shooting Sports for Cub Scouts, Webelos Scouts, and Parents in Camp, No. 13-550, 2003 printing The requirements for the Loop and Pin were completely rewrittten
since the previous edition.
Click here to see the previous requirements.
Archery, like BB - gun shooting, is a camp program. Boys can earn archery recognition items only at council/district day camp, resident camp, or council -managed family camping programs
Archery programs are not permitted at den and pack activities . However, leaders can help parents understand the importance of training and encourage attendance of boys at Cub Scout camps that offer this training.
To be a qualified and trained archery range supervisor, adults must take part in an archery supervisor training program conducted by the local council with the help of a National Camping School -certified field sports director or a National Archery Association (NAA) instructor.
The Archery belt loop and pin can only be awarded by a BSA range-trained shooting- sports director. Earning the Archery Belt Loop while a Wolf Cub Scout
also satisfies Elective 20c (toward Wolf Arrow Points).
Belt Loop
Cub Scouts and Webelos Scouts can earn the archery belt loop by participating in the archery safety program at Cub Scout camp.
Sports Pin
Complete these three requirements:
Page 1 of 3 Cub Scout Sports for Camp Only 2/24/2008 http://usscouts.org/usscouts/advance/cubscout/sports/archery.asp
As you can see, from the above quotes from the BSA, there is much more involved in earning or being allowed to award for that matter, the BB Shooting & Archery Belt Loops & Pins than just offering it as an activity at camp. There is special training involved apparently that I do not think we are offering.
Having said all that, how can my son or any other Cub Scout ever earn these Belt Loops and/or Pins here in the Palmetto Council? …
I am sure this issue must have come up before. I would find it hard to believe that out of the hundreds or more than a thousand (however many there are) Cub Scouts in the Palmetto Council, that there is not a single one that has ever earned these belt loops and pins.
Does anyone know of a Cub Scout that has and how is it done given the above listed restrictions?
Please, someone help me with this so I can help my son earn these belt loops.
This, by the way, is not isolated to the Palmetto Council, I have found this problem to be quite common in other Councils throughout South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, and Virginia.
So, once again, this is not a criticism. I just want to know how I can help my son and other Cub Scouts earn their BB Shooting & Archery Belt Loops & Pins. I know absolutely nothing about shooting sports! And, I am certainly not trained and would not know where to even begin! … Growing up, my parents never allowed me to shoot anything not even supervised! I have never even held a gun or bow and arrow of any kind in my hands. Never even touched one! But, I do not want my son to miss out just because I have never done it. …
Can anyone help me with this question about earning these belt loops?
I do know that they can be earned at Camp Rock Enon of the Shenandoah Area Council, BSA near Winchester, Virginia and at Camp Thunder of the Flint River Council, BSA in Georgia.
We do have tentative plans to go to these camps this summer if we can’t get it here locally. But, no one should have to do that. Is there any way our son can earn these belt loops here in our own council?
I appreciate anyone’s help with this. …
Thanks!
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William Wallace Tabbot
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| 03/17/2008 3:05 PM |
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Thank you very much for the information! ... You have been very helpful! ... You are teaching me some things that I did not know. I really appreciate you educating me as to what is actually available here in the council. Thank you so very much!
Having said that, and I do appreciate your input, It still did not really answer my question. ...
What I need to know is:
Will the Cub Scouts earn and receive the BB Shooting & Archery Belt Loops at either or both camps? (i.e. the day camp in June and the "Fun With Son" camp in July)
Will they get these two belt loops?
Also, ... Our family is more than happy and willing to help out and volunteer in any way needed for both camps in as far as the respective work schedules will allow. Once that is known, we can be more specific. But, as you are probably well aware, many workplaces are very stingey in what they will allow their employees to take off during the summer months. They do not like nor will they allow 2 people to be off work at the same time in any given week during the summer. So, those restrictions make it very difficult to plan much in the way of weekday activities. Weekends are a little easier. For example, my wife has worked for Mary Black Hospital for about 20 years and she has not had a single day off in the summer for the past 5 years! Which I think is ridiculous! So, I think she is about due don't you think? I really do not like the way they treat their employees over there and they know my feelings quite well by now. Needless to say, they don't care for me or my opinions very much. But that does not really bother me, the feeling is mutual! ...
Anyway, you did not want to hear me on my soap box, but you can see and understand the situation at least. So, to answer your question, our family is more than happy to help in anyway possible provided the workplace will cooperate. We are actually excited about it! ...
But back to my question, please let me know if the Cub Scouts will be getting their BB Shooting & Archery Belt Loops from their participation in either or both camps?
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poopsidoo
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| 03/17/2008 7:32 PM |
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Mr Tabbot,
Climb on Safely training will take place 4/10/08 at the Piedmont District Roundtable at Morningdside Bap church at 6:30. Hope to see you there. |
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nwasness
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| 03/17/2008 7:44 PM |
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I would like to invite the person doing the "Climb on Safely" to Pinckney District Roundtable to train are leaders.
Please contact me
Nancy Wasness
nwasness@bellsouth.net
Home 814-3831
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HardWorker
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| 03/17/2008 8:57 PM |
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Mr. Talbot,
There are many of us who work full time jobs and still commit to filling these volunteer positions, so our boys will have the best program possible. I for one have no problem when other hard working volunteers have suggestions, or even criticisms, because I see that they are willing step up and work to implement their suggestions. But I have little tolerance for those of you who criticize and complain because the program is not doing all you think it should, and then use the age old excuse, I don't have time to help because of my full time job.
If you would spend less time striving for attention on this forum and spend more time striving to give the program the volunteer support it requires, all would be better for it.
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| 03/17/2008 10:52 PM |
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To All Forum Users:
I would like to make a request that all users of this forum sign their posts with their full name and Scouting position (District Exec, Scoutmaster, etc.) To do so would be beneficial and courteous. When information is posted, knowing the source benefits us all by establishing validity for the post. For example, were I to post information regarding a Council policy as a Scoutmaster, it would not be comparable to the validity of the same post made by our Council Executive. Also, if there is some criticism of someone or something you want to make on the forum, but yet are unwilling to sign your name to it, I think that you should probably keep it to yourself. If you feel strongly enough to make a criticism and sign your name to it, by all means do so. I also think that those targeted by the criticism deserve the courtesy of knowing the source of the criticism.
As of now, there is obviously no requirement that posts be signed, although I have asked the webmaster (another anonymous person) to consider this policy. I would however like to respectfully request that each of you consider this courtesy for those using this forum.
Wm. Roy Cloninger
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William Wallace Tabbot
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| 03/18/2008 12:07 AM |
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THANK YOU!
Mr. Cloninger I appreciate your position on this and I agree with it 100%!
YOU MAKE AN EXCELLENT POINT!
It is easy and perhaps even cowardly to hide behind the veil of annonimity. If you have something to say, you should have enough conviction and character to sign your name to it. You are exactly right on this.
That is why name is always listed here in the margins or otherwise. If anyone takes issue with what I have ever said, I always thought it was only fair that they know who said it.
Thank you again for your valuable insight on this!
I COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER MYSELF!
William Wallace Tabbot
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